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question about Ubuntu alternatives 

Hi Lurk and fediverse, you obviously have an opinion on linux distros so help me out:

What do you think is the best non-Ubuntu distro for nontechnical people?

I'm installing ubuntu on a friend's new laptop, mostly because that's what he's been using. But after booting, i'm horrified at the current state of this distro, suggesting loads of proprietary software on the first boot and omitting valid F/LOSS alternatives.

So I'm now boycotting Ubuntu/Canonical/etc, and trying to figure out a good alternative. I'd prefer a debian derivative since that's what I'm used to (and thus can help with support) but I'm also looking elsewhere, mostly something that can be used and serviced without hand-holding.

tl;dr: user-friendly and freedom-respecting distro alternatives to Ubuntu?

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question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente I'm using Mint on an old laptop and it seems pretty accessible to me. But didn't delve into the politics of it tbh

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@entreprecariat @rlafuente after several years of Ubuntu, then Debian, then Mint I migrated all my machines to Manjaro and it's a different planet altogether. I use my machines for research, simulations development and photo/video editing and music recording: it's much faster and never had any problems. I'd avoid Arch because they feed you with unstable packagaes whereas Manjaro adds them only if they appear to be stable for some weeks.

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@zabow I was leaning towards Manjaro but didn't mention it in the post to avoid bias, but I might try it out indeed. Hopefully it's not too alien for non-power users, but I'm about to find out!

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@entreprecariat thank you! Mint also brings some proprietary stuff, but at least doesn't try to get you to install Microsoft Teams on first boot 🙂

And I'm pretty grateful for their efforts in making Gnome work properly with Cinnamon and MATE. We (Manufactura) used it as a VM for people to try out Linux some 10 years ago at Medialab Prado, and it's beautiful+usable.

I'm probably going with Manjaro, with Linux Mint as a backup option... thanks again!

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@entreprecariat @rlafuente

Howdy.

Try visiting this link for #libre / #foss distros: https://www.slant.co/topics/15582/~libre-linux-distro-for-noobs

Personally, #Manjaro is what I use at home and at work.

Best of luck. Be / Keep well!

@rlafuente If you are doing the install for them, why not just Debian?

the installer does a few more questions than other distros (altought the default answers tend to be good), but afterwards it doesn't feel that different.

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente I was considering fedora, although not really looking forward of hassle of configuring the nvidia drivers on it

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente fedora! Up to date, easy and relatively safe upgrades, a decent amount of software available. Don't have to worry about then pushing proprietary software.

Manjaro is great, but I wouldn't put it on a non-technical person's hardware.

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente I'm on #Manjaro (for similar reasons) and didn't regret it.

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente Fedora

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@be @rlafuente seconded.
Fedora is a great Linux distro for beginners, much more so than Ubuntu is

Ubuntu teaches you how Ubuntu works
Fedora teaches you how Linux works

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente For technically not proficient people, I would suggest the latest #PeppermintOS
It is no longer based on an Ubuntu LTS, but on #Debian Bullseye and it uses #XFCE as the desktop environment
Bonus points since it works very well on less performant systems and even on 32 Bit machines 💻

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente The project's website can be found here ( https://peppermintos.com/ ) and I believe there even is an account on the Fediverse ( @peppermintos )

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente #Debian would do.

question about Ubuntu alternatives 

@rlafuente Depends on the laptop (compatibility issues with some hardware) But I'd go with Fedora or Manjaro as lot of people already stated and, why not, vanilla Debian.

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