| I'm on the Board of Movement Technology, a coop that provides tools and supports for both individual members (like me) and organizations that are members (e.g. Progressive Technology Project). We've been a bit challenged about how to deal with supporting folx shifting from depending on corporate tools like fbook to using libre tools instead. My own daughter is a member of Socialist Alternative and she tells me they have to use fbook because that's where the people are, and the floss tools are harder to use and not as feature rich. Now I on the other hand have stayed away from social media entirely, so I have no idea how to respond. So I decided to start here on lurk.

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@davebritton It’s true many people are there. But good to diversify one’s channels.

@davebritton welcome! I had the pleasure of working with MayFirst a long time when you hosted some sites I inherited.

@davebritton The numerical arguments of "reach" on corporate social media can be quite a mental trap. It's quite understandable as it seems impossible to compete. And I would be dishonest to say that activism on big platforms is completely ineffective.

But it might be better to re-frame the argument in terms of goals and values. If you're interested in promoting regional, organic and slow food do you meet at McDonalds and Burger King because that's where the biggest numbers of eaters go? Every post or scroll on FB makes some billionaires a little bit richer. How much does it promote your cause? Do those numbers of followers, views and likes actually translate to a growing, active community or just a palliative, vague and often distant sense of passive identity? Using an advertising platform to promote socialism, while competing with all the other parties pushing and selling antithetical stuff might not be the best use of one's efforts.

@davebritton To extend the food metaphor, but in regards to corporate vs. FLOSS/federated tools: we could compare instant, highly-processed foods to cooking for yourself. One could give up and say it's impossible to compete so we should just try to convince or regulate the giant food companies to use more organic ingredients. Or we could show people that there are lots of simple, quick things you can cook yourself if you are willing to learn a little bit. And perhaps more importantly and compellingly, by cooking yourself, you open up to a lifetime's worth of diverse, exiting encounters: cultural, social, sensuous, etc.

It's just a metaphor so it will not be true in all cases but I do feel that, although it took a little more time and effort, my current experience here has a lot more "Savoir Vivre" than the microwave pizza that is FB or Twitter.

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Staying "with people" on corporate media is a strategy which totally does not work. It is like procrastination. Waiting for something will happen and securing that way own unability to do something and that the opposite happens. On fediverse the mindset is more on working on solution and some movement happens.

@davebritton Tell them they can use Facebook all they want to get people on the Fediverse! In all seriousness, they should have a presence on some libre network. Using Facebook doesn't stop you from doing that as well. IMO any organization who can't even spare the time to set up an accessible alternate contact method is *at best* a false flag operation established to divert people away from effective activism.

@cy @davebritton Facebook and Twitter are where the numbers are, but activism is not always about numbers. On those sites, you can think you are broadcasting to the billions, but the alorithm may be hiding your posts even from followers. As a rule of thumb, if your posts are not profitable for advertisers then the algorithm will downrank them. And if you pause to consider it, a lot of the activism which people like us are involved with is the opposite of generating money for advertisers.

@bob Well, I suppose we could develop a site for activists to post real-time pix/video during street demonstrations to a site that had lots of google ads to make money for local bail funds, with bot postings to fbood and birdsite to drive traffic to it. People could support the rioters by watching the riots.

@davebritton @bob This sounds like one of those things where capitalism learns how to profit out of struggle and turn rebellion into another revenue stream for oligarchs.

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