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Is political? If so isn't it a contradiction that many practioners rely heavely on projects and at tge same time are happy to use Youtube, Skype, Github? :breadthink:

Giuseppe Torre @torrejuseppe

@blcktofu I am not sure is . It is true that most live coding environments are but the the live coding manifesto for example does not mention opensource anywhere... However, many (but not all though) practitioners are politically oriented in their choice for opensource and thus I see why you are making the association between the two.... toplap.org/wiki/ManifestoDraft

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Thank you @torrejuseppe tge think is that o believe there is something inherently political about it, although i cannot pin-point them. And i find that some of the exciting ( unspoken) ethos is bypassed when live coding events rely heavily on not only proprietary software but big corporation to publish the outcomes and handle communication.

@torrejuseppe @blcktofu @olme@mamot.fr there are still a lot of Macintoshes in the live coding scene. I do think part of the reliance on YouTube is just out of habit and that peertube will replace it within a few months. People in the scene are definitely aware of the problems but also need to reach their audiences.

@celesteh
@torrejuseppe thank you. My intention is not to take this discussion to the pragmatic side, of finding solutions, but as an outsider i was curious if the community also sees it as an issue or a contradiction and if so, how is being addressed.

@blcktofu @torrejuseppe Personally, I'm only on the fringes of the livecode movement, so my experience is somewhat limited. Some particpants do seem strongly invested in the FLOSS movement. Others have picked FLOSS tools for other reasons, like it being the best tool for the job or sometimes because they don't have money to invest in software. Some people use FLOSS tools because they want to be able to collaborate on tool production and this is easier with FLOSS, especially via sites like github.

My own route into FLOSS was very strongly influenced by social aspects, attractive features, and because macs seem to disintegrate if you sneeze on them too hard, vs how tough thinkpads are. Increasing politicisation followed.

I don't know how politicised other live coders are. They all made mastodon accounts on lurk, but I don't see them post often...
@torrejuseppe @blcktofu ... but I mean, that's the network effect. I've left those platforms and I've lost my audiences and a lot of social connections. If I weren't so angry about Trump and Brexit, I'd probably also have gone back by now.

@celesteh @blcktofu yes I am new too to the live coding sphere and yet the affinity between FLOOS or opensource (which I support) and live coding appears present. Still to reconnect to the initial post in this thread I do not see any explicit contradiction in doing live coding and using proprietary software as the intent of live coding are more explicitly directed towards live performance issues.

A great contradiction I found thanks to this thread is instead that of Github, famous for hosting thousands of opensource projects and not being opensource itself! Now that is a contradiction! I moved all my stuff to Gitlab (great!) Thanks :)

@torrejuseppe @celesteh @blcktofu I think one way to think about it is not so much in terms of political realm, but whether or not there can be a universal inflection point in cognitive dissonance when dogfooding free and open source software practices, and free culture in general. When I researched the issue, it's clear that no practitioners agree on where to draw the line with cultural and software freedom.