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i really want to try my hand at the tildeverse and using linux as my main os for everyday use (as well as using the "cosy" internet where everything is smol and ran by enthusiasts instead of big companies), but i literally have no idea where to start

thank you for all your suggestions everyone :unwanted_ok:

hopefully i'll try to find a usb to put ubuntu on, and at some point, i'll sign up to a tildeverse instance as well (i'm planning on either signing up to ctrl c club or probably to tilde.club).

i think i'll probably boot linux from the usb for a while so that i can get used to it before actually downloading it on to my system, but i'm torn between dual booting it alongside windows (because i still might need it for certain things) or just straight up replacing windows with linux instead.

i'm not sure how long all of this will take though since i'm basically working a full time job (whilst actively looking for a more flexible one with less hours) at the same time as well

@rozina It's a bit crazy with options right? You might want to just start with one of the popular distributions. They usually install in about 15-30 minutes. Ubuntu, Mint, Elementary and PopOS are quite newbie friendly. You basically just download a ISO disk image and put it on a USB stick. Reboot from the stick (which may require a trick or two) and then a nice graphical installer will start and prompt you through the setup.

Mint, for example, has an install guide here:
linuxmint.com/documentation.ph

@rozina as for tildeverse, I think @pixouls might know where to get started

@rozina tildeverse.org has a bunch of tildes! I started with tilde.town but they're kind of separate from the others....kind of.

for Linux, you can try before you install by putting it on a USB drive! search Live USB for how tos. I'd recommend somethig easy like elementary os or Ubuntu to start, but you'll quickly form opinions!

@acdw i had a look at tildeverse and it's actually really good, but i have no idea what a ssh key is or how to get one, let alone know how to be a part of one of the tilde communities that tildeverse shows

@rozina if you want I can try to write up a kind of gentle intro this week or maybe next

@rozina @acdw a whole bunch of things (like generating an SSH key) might sound really complicated, and are in fact a little difficult to get started on without a little background in the tools you're using, but actually are pretty easy once you know what to google.

in the ssh-key case, it'll be something like "on your linux machine, open a terminal, and run `ssh-keygen && chmod -r 700 ~/.ssh`. if you like, give it a password at the prompt. then if you run `cd ~/.ssh/; ls`, you'll see files named `rsa_id` and `rsa_id.pub`. rsa_id is your private key--keep that one secret and don't let anyone access the file. you can share rsa_id.pub, e.g. by sending it to whoever wants to be sure you're really you."

it might look a little scary or complicated on the face of it, but it's nbd once you're a little used to the environment and you know what to search for/who to ask when you get stuck

@nfd, 10000% right, thanks for the explanation! @rozina, how familiar are you with any of those words?

@acdw i think i'm familiar with ssh, but that's about it. i'm not sure what the commands mean or what they're supposed to do.

thanks for the explanation @nfd i found it really helpful

@rozina I can give you a shell account. You will have your own little thing where you can log in remotely etc. I can also teach you about ssh etc.

@rozina as someone who flirted with linux for a while, abandoned it for a decade, and now uses it as a daily driver, expect a bit of friction and weirdness.

Get a live usb of whatever distro and play around for a bit. Try a few options

kde or mate environment will be more familiar than gnome to someone from windows land, can't personally speak to mac experience.

Format your partitions with home separate and you'll have an easier time distro hopping without wiping out your files

@rozina ubuntu will have the most beginner friendly experience I think. I use manjaro these days. Feel free to ping if you have any questions, vague or concrete haha

@maxc @rozina I would run away from Linux with that explanation 🤪. I'm a full time Linux user since 2004 and like many, forget how overwhelming the choices can be. I recommend watching some YouTube videos on "what is Linux". A Linux "Distro" is basically the OS. They are all intuitive in their own way and you can't go wrong with any of them. I have switched tech nerds and computer hating old people to Linux and everyone got on just fine.

@rozina i'm on ctrl-c.club. it's pretty friendly. info and signup link on the site: https://ctrl-c.club/

@liaizon @rozina i had initially signed up mostly to just have a gemini host, but then started using tildegit, then kept adding more and more tilde programs/services because it was fun

@rozina Have you considered installing Virtual Box and running Linux in a virtual machine? That way you can have it fully installed and install all your software. Plus you won't have to find a USB stick 😃

@rozina it's a long run, you have to work methodological:
If you use Windows, start with replacing proprietary software with free software.
Then you will be able to climb the first step and migrate to GNU/Linux (you will retreive your soft).
After that, replace progressively each big companies service by a more privacy respectful solution (on your machine or one of your community).
Some path to achieve this goal:

https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/

@F1RUM it sure is. i've tried jumping to the last step already by trying to replace windows with linux without switching my software first.

i've stopped using microsoft office (i currently use google docs/the google suite, not ideal, but it's a start and ideally i'd like a foss version of an online office suite thingy similar to what i use now), and adobe software is a nightmare to use on my machine (and there's no way i'd get a new one since my laptop is still functional) so i might look at the alternatives and use those instead, hopefully getting away with it as a somewhat semi-professional/freelance graphic designer to be, although i do use processing (which is a foss(?) programming language aimed at artists) and i'm trying to get to grips with blender (which ironically won't open on windows despite getting the right version).

so i guess i'm taking a few small steps in the right direction, and at least it's better than nothing

@rozina there are many alternatives to Adobe tools depending on what you need : The Gimp, Inkscape, Krita, Blender, Darktable... it's often necessary to switch between them but there is always a solution.
For collaboration on office documents you could try CryptPad
https://cryptpad.fr/
For personnal documents, I use LibreOffice

@rozina Right? The only way I got into Linux was by force really. My decade old Macbook was left behind in updates from Apple. Linux could be installed and up to date. That's how it became everyday use.

@rozina Hi Rozina! I’m a tilde user and I’ve only installed Linux and BSDs on my computer since 2013, with few exceptions (I’ve updated my mum’s computer to Windows 10, this kind of stuff).

First, I think the best desktop Linux distribution is Fedora. I’m interested in Silverblue and it’s really stable, but you might need to browse the documentation for things like installing the virtualization stack with toolbox; for this reason I run Fedora. However it requires a good internet connection (and a good bandwidth). You may as well use a distribution like Debian or LMDE with the security updates only.

I’m just saying this because I’ve read someone getting tired of Kubuntu and installing Windows instead, and I haven’t used anything good derived from Ubuntu, including Ubuntu itself (Kubuntu, Elementary OS…). Canonical customize too much Ubuntu’s default software (like GNOME) to let you do things as simple as installing Firefox Beta, and this distribution had its time of glory on desktops, but now Canonical are moving their resources to the cloud, so for example I believe their snaps (that they’re more or less forcing you to use instead of apt, whenever there’s a snap for what you’re trying to install) lack funding for graphical libraries like Qt or Xorg (or maybe to implement the Wayland protocol, I don’t know).

Anyway, Ubuntu isn’t a good desktop distribution now. Archlinux and anything derived from it is controversial and its users are known for being pedantic, so I’d suggest you to avoid this too. I know it may sound like mansplaining, but I’m saying this because I’ve fallen in a black hole of pain composed of Archlinux forks, ricing, and echo chambers of awful memes about Archlinux users’ pedantry and depression.

Linux is the place to start with tildes because we use SSH for about everything (connecting to IRC via a local client, adding a phlog entry, watering our virtual plants, etc.).

There’s tildeverse.org as an entry point, and everything else is a matter of hours: choosing an instance, maybe connecting to IRC to ask for advice (do you want a tilde providing you Pleroma, XMPP, Matrix, HTML, Gopher…?), generating an SSH key, and filling the registration form.

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