@ekaitz_zarraga
I've been reading with interest what you guys have said here and I think all of you have a point.

My take is that the four freedoms are not enough, and that the divide between programmers and non-programmers is artificial.

That divide was deliberately created by big corporations when they decided code shouldn't be inspectable. That way the "developer class" is bribed into compliance and isolated from the rest of the working class.

@alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee

@ekaitz_zarraga I'm not passing blame, and it's easier to offer some hindsight in year 2020 than it was in 1985, but UNIX, GNU, and the FOSS community that ensued, unwittingly, and in most cases unintentionally helped to create the conditions necessary for this situation, which capitalist corporations gladly subverted to their own advantage.
Namely "Open Source", which is so bad even Microsoft, IBM, and Oracle love it.

@alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee

@ekaitz_zarraga But that wasn't all.

The worst problem we have right now is the WWW, which has become a delivery mechanism for "applications" (Surprise!) that can't be inspected. (Again, surprise!)

We followed the rules, so they took over the W3C and we kept supporting those corporate standards as FOSS.

They have fooled us twice. Will they fool us for the third time around again?

@alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee

@ekaitz_zarraga
Chances are that they may succeed in fooling us again if they take hold of the VR cyberspace.
It's still early days, but there's plenty of encroachment there already.

We need to take back the inspectable desktop, and we need to take back the docuverse/hypertext, and we need to create the conditions for some pockets of freedom to persist and enable for the Third Great War even if FOSS and the www fail.

@alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee

@ekaitz_zarraga The only way we will be able to succeed in our own terms is if we make the desktop GUI and the Docuverse inspectable, usable, and empowering for everyone, without exception.

That Fifth Freedom should be non-negotiable.

Armed with that, we will be in much better footing to offer a meaningful response when Facebook/Oculus/Google/Microsoft/Apple decide they want everyone on Earth to be hooked to the VR cyberspace.

@alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee

@haitch @alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee I couldn't agree more on what you say. In fact, I'm publishing something on this line of thought soon as an opening for my publishing house.

I agree with @haitch too (among his other works, @ekaitz_zarraga is also publishing his Spanish translation of this piece which argue more or less in the same direction: http://www.tesio.it/2019/06/03/what-is-informatics.html) but I'm not sure changing the software stack is enough: we also need people understand that informatics is about minds, not computer, and their only way to be first class citizens in a cybernetic world, is to understand how such world works under the hood.

So to fight #GAFAM and all oppressive regimes (eg. USA and China) we need to work on both sides: on one end, rebuild a better stack that is easy to inspect and hack from the ground up; on the other end, teach people informatics, so that they can effectively control their own life.

@alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee

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@Shamar @haitch @ekaitz_zarraga @alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee I like this sentiment. You make it sound like this is a question of literacy. That we need to make it easier to both read and write (as well as cite and annotate) might be a good way to explain the problem in more social terms. It also can lead people to see that, even if it is sometimes hard work, computing can be a _pleasure_ just like good literature.

@praxeology
I make it sound like it's fundamentally anti-egalitarian to have a read-only society.

@Shamar @ekaitz_zarraga @alcinnz @abbienormal @alexbuzzbee

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