@pixouls Thanks for sharing. I enjoyed checking it out and am going to share with my students. My top-of-mind thought in these situations is that our (us, people) consumption is generally far lower than corporate consumption and that we should place significant constraints (regulation) on companies and make that a priority. when i choose actions like this, i tend to turn inward rather than outward activism toward those ends.. this is my worry with personal recycling for example.

@exquisitecorp // @pixouls I think you are very right, perspectives like that definitely have a tendency to make global systemic problems into things we each as individuals have to solve.

But especially with digital infrastructures there is still the need to put their materiality into perspective - the whole ideology of the ephemeral and immaterial clouds of cyberspace is deeply entrenched into our collective imaginaries. And its not there by accident ofc, it rationalizes and legitimizes (...)

@exquisitecorp @pixouls the power digital coorporations get through their ownership of our infrastructures.

So I think that website's perspective could both help to highlight the materiality of our digital actions, and make the power and ecological consequences of digital capitalism's most powerful corporations visibly and thereby ... attackable :t_blink:

@exquisitecorp 100% agree that companies are more responsible for the larger consumption. i think imagining what alternatives look like through smaller community practices help me have hope for manifesting a more equitable and autonomous future into the present, amid all the climate distress. what do you teach?

@pixouls that make sense!

i teach in both new media as well as computer science

@pixouls we’re all teachers, and will learn from each other

@pixouls Wow, that's a huge average amount of emails! Makes me feel less bad for only having 10 or so emails to clean up.
The worst I ever had was years back when I was still on Gmail. I think I collected abut 150 of them? So I've been doing a pretty good job overall.

@Mayana spicy, I try to maintain my emails but i definitely have a few hundred still.

even if i try to maintain it, email accumulation is so incessant.

@pixouls I probably have an easier job of it since my email isn't being used much for school or work right now. Back when it was, especially during the start of the pandemic when there was still so much confusion, I let them pile up a little, too. That time taught me the value of deleating things immediately quite well.

@Mayana @pixouls 20k emails unread just in my inbox. Many hundreds of thousands of emails saved overall. It's a horrible waste I know but I can't bring myself to delete them. I regularly search for random bits of info all over the place. Would have been much easier if I organized things properly from the start... and now I feel very bad about it. I'll fix this eventually...

@talon No. You won't fix this eventually.
You'll eeither do it now or probably never, because the longer you wait, the more there is to clean up and the less likely you are to do it.
Just do it now. It's going to suck, and it's going to suck a lot, but it'd suck just as much for future you.
Alternatively, give me your password and I'll delete everything I feel is useless, and you can only pray that my judgement won't be horrible. :ms_stick_out_tongue:
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@Mayana @pixouls I could delete all emails but I know I'd regret it. What I can do though is move them from the mail server to a local storage medium. Then I could free up server space and still have all the data.

@Mayana @talon the point of the website is less about you being at fault, but also for us to recognize how little we know about the energy we consume and how the information is often kept from us about how it works. do what you can, but also remember there are other things at play. emails are just one type of media that are hoarded as well.

@pixouls @Mayana What I'm worried about is the fact that even if we all delete our emails, the servers will still be there. If they're not used for storing emails, they'll just be allocated elsewhere. Like the wonderful waste of space that is big data.

@talon That's a strange excuse. If those servers are allocated elsewhere, that means that *new* servers don't have to be bought for that other data. Is that not a win?
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@Mayana @pixouls at the rate we expand our data creation, new servers will spring up regardless. We should stop data mining/harvesting. Save the data that's actually important rather than the data that we hope might be important at some point hopefully maybe perhaps.

@talon True, they will. But by supporting providers that actually delete our data when we ask them to, and by then deleting them, we can lessen that somewhat. A bunch of little steps can lead towards bigger change.
And yup! Data hoarding might seem less messy than physical hoarding, but it's still not good for us to have all those piles of data weighing on us. I bet inbox zero has proven mental health benefits; I certainly love seeing mine each time, never gets old.
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